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io.js TC Meeting 2015-01-21

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Agenda

Extracted from https://github.com/nodejs/io.js/labels/tc-agenda prior to meeting.

  • Invite Domenic Denicola to the TC Meetings (nodejs#403)
  • Governance: Add new collaborators (nodejs#234)
  • Stabilization and Release Cycles and Process (nodejs#405)
    • also: the state of ES6 on io.js (re: V8 upgrade policy) (nodejs#251)
  • doc: bump punycode api stability to ‘stable’ (nodejs#470)
  • Working group reports
  • Streams
  • Website
  • ICU

Minutes

Present

  • Bert (TC)
  • Ben (TC)
  • Chris (TC)
  • Colin (TC)
  • Fedor (TC)
  • Isaac (TC)
  • Mikeal
  • Rod
  • Domenic

Mini stand-up

  • Bert: Release, polish, Windows installer, Windows XP, ICU
  • Ben: Fixing bugs, reviewing PRs, maintenance
  • Chris: Cleaning up points where core reaches in to private state of streams, TLS bug with New Relic
  • Colin: Reviewing PRs, moving vars to ES6 consts
  • Fedor: Commenting, working on replacement for GYP, written in C: https://github.com/indutny/pyg
  • Isaac: npm stuff, some streams discussing
  • Mikeal: Website WG, social media accounts, facebook, G+, etc.
  • Domenic: Changelog & Release, clarifying V8 stuff
  • Rod: Release, etc.

Review of last meeting

  • File copyright policy #216
    • LICENSE file
  • governance: Add new Collaborators #234
    • Deferred to this meeting
  • The state of ES6 on io.js (re V8 upgrade policy) #251
    • Only discussed V8 upgrade policy, re 3.31 vs 3.30
  • 1.0.0 release checklist

Invite Domenic Denicola to the TC Meetings

(nodejs#403)

Enough agreement on GitHub and in private communications amongst TC. Done.

Governance: Add new collaborators

(nodejs#234)

  • Mikeal: Proposed Chris leads an onboarding process, do a Hangout with a group of people from the original list who are willing to go through the process and take them in the first week and iterate from there.
  • Bert: +1 for an onboarding process, more interested in handing out voting rights to a larger group.
  • Mikeal: Would rather separate the voting rights issue from adding contributors, make a separate issue for this with ideas and come back to it at next meeting.
  • Ben: is an onboarding process necessary? New contributor should pick it up fairly quickly.
  • Chris: How we review code and deal with issues (cultural things) is hard to get across with just a written process.
  • Isaac: Basically apprentice model for joyent/node but faster and more inclusive. Some brief instruction on how to do things.
  • Mikeal: adding collaborators gives us an informal voting process, +/-1s on issues with the “collaborator” badge
  • Bert: would like to widen and formalise the voting process
  • Mikeal: wants to tackle the issue by bringing org to the roadmap repo, will bring Bert in on the process

Discussed whether onboarding should be mandatory.

Proposal: take anyone proposed that +1s in that thread, mandatory onboarding process by Chris, limited by how many he can take.

Passed

Stabilization and Release Cycles and Process

(nodejs#405)

V8

  • Mikeal:
    • how to align with V8 process and increase collaboration
    • semver + V8 introduces some challenges
  • Domenic: V8 is synced to Chrome releases, Beta should ship with the version that ships with release
  • Ben: is the proposal to stick with stable V8 release that’s in stable Chrome?
  • Domenic: ideally some “beta” version of io.js that uses a Beta V8
  • Mikeal: we need more releases to get experience with this, assumption is that at some point we say “this is stable” and have a stable and unstable branch.
  • Discussed current release patterns, how they map to minor/patch
  • Domenic: we are in a “danger zone”
  • Mikeal & Domenic discussed how you might achieve a “canary”
  • Bert: proposal:
    • io.js track stable V8, bump minor and possibly major as required
    • have a pre-release that tracks the Beta
  • Domenic: would like to keep V8 version upgrades as a separate concern to other experimental additions to io.js, decouple from io.js releases / semver?
  • Ben: happy with stable proposal, want to move discussion on unstable to an issue for further discussion.
  • Action: Ben file an issue to discuss how unstable works
  • Agreement: V8 should track stable

Logo

  • Discussed logo-per-release
  • Mikeal: we need a versatile logo to use across all web / social presences. Having a logo to designate a release would be good.
  • Mikeal: ideally website team would like JSON file containing release info to be checked in to the website repo upon completion.

Releases

  • Rod: patch releases should be frequent, there have been 4 so far, it seems to be working well but we should monitor
  • Domenic: frequent releases should be normal, patch & minor should just be part of the normal process
  • Bert: would be good to have API change notes into the git log
  • Discussed further about how to deal with API changes minor/major, unstable branches, etc.
  • Agreement: patch and minor releases are merged as part of normal business, a release then is either a patch or minor bump depending on what was merged.
  • Move discussion about tagging vs git log recording for patch/minor/major to GitHub.
  • Punt on discussions about who can release and how that happens
  • Punt on discussions about synchronizing with important ecosystem projects (NAN, node-gyp, nvm, etc.)

also: the state of ES6 on io.js (re: V8 upgrade policy)

(nodejs#251)

Part of previous discussion

doc: bump punycode api stability to ‘stable’

(nodejs#470)

  • Agreement

Working group reports

  • Mikeal and Chris to semi-formalise the model
  • Mikeal: 6 people actively engaged and growing, “could not be going better”
  • Chris: streams group has initial set of members, some discussions going on, first meeting pending
  • Rod:
    • The Docker sub-group is going great and has even got the docker-iojs images accepted as the official Docker "iojs" images.
    • Other "build" efforts are all release-focused for now, trying to streamline the process to make it possible to have multiple people able to cut releases.

ICU

  • Bert:
    • joyent/node has small-icu enabled by default making Intl work
    • can get it working but it makes the binary twice as big (~8M more)
  • Domenic: ideally we would track browsers and just include it
  • Ben: V8 adds ICU by default but you need to opt-out, which we do
  • Action: Invite Steven Loomis to the next TC meeting to discuss further

Next meeting

  • 28th January 2015